
May 01, 2006
Human Events Online
The National Conservative Weekly
Reza Pahlavi, son of the late Shah of Iran, told the editors of HUMAN EVENTS last week that in the next two to three months he hopes to finalize the organization of a movement aimed at overthrowing the Islamic regime in Tehran and replacing it with a democratic government.
He believes the cause is urgent because of the prospect that Iran may soon develop a nuclear weapon or the U.S. may use military force to preempt that. He hopes to offer a way out of this dilemma: a revolution sparked by massive civil disobedience in which the masses in the streets are backed by elements of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard.
Pahlavi, who lives in exile in the United States, said he has been in contact with elements of the Revolutionary Guard that would be willing to play such a role, and activists who could help spark the civil disobedience.
He also said that the U.S. and other governments can help by imposing “smart sanctions” on the leaders of Iranian regime, but he categorically opposes U.S. military intervention.
After the revolution he envisions, Pahlavi said, he would be willing to become a constitutional monarch in Iran if an Iranian constitutional convention offered him that role. “I’m ready to serve in that capacity,” he said. “If the people so choose, it would be my greatest honor.”
The following are excerpts from the interview with the editors of HUMAN EVENTS in which Pahlavi explained why and how he thinks his country can be transformed from an Islamist dictatorship into a free democracy.
Under any circumstances, would you support U.S. military action against Iran?
As a matter of principle there’s no way that I can support any kind of military intervention regardless of the crisis because as a matter of principle, and as a nationalist, I cannot even imagine the fact that my country could be attacked, and today it’s a very different scenario from, let’s say, the Second World War where you are occupied by Nazi forces and there’s a liberating force coming in. This is a strike against Iranian installations that are part of our national assets. That it’s used wrongly by the wrong people is beside the point. So there’s no justification as far as I’m concerned.
Even if we had absolutely certain knowledge the regime in Iran was on the threshold of actually building a nuclear weapon, you would oppose U.S. military intervention to stop that from happening?
First of all, whether the U.S. does it or not is its affair. I would still be critical of it only because I think that if we come back to a position in which we are today, there’s time to remedy the situation and I will get to other options later. But I can tell you one thing: The best gift that you can give the current regime is, in fact, to attack it. Why? Because, one, it will immediately consolidate the nation, two, it will neutralize all elements of the military and paramilitary forces who have a role to play in the options that I will present later and they will be forced into a position of defense. So they are out of the equation.
Three, it will stir this entire regional emotion, once again, against the West, while we are trying to get help from the very same West to promote a democratic ideal.
Fourth, if it’s a race against time, as in the sense, “Will this regime become nuclear first or will the Iranian people achieve democracy?” there’s no way you’re going to win the race by doing so. You may prolong the inevitable armament of Iran, but you will certainly push back the democratic cause for many years, if not for good.
And, ultimately, I don’t know if it’s going to be effective. We’re not talking about Iraq. We’re talking about a country with a multitude of installations, some of which you happen to know about and many of which we still don’t know about. Many of these entities are hidden under civilian areas, the actual stockpiling.
You would not demand that Israel disarm?
Since when has Israel been a threat to anyone? Israel just wants to be left alone and live in peace side by side with its neighbors. As far as I’m concerned, Israel never had any ambition to territorially go and invade, I don’t know, Spain or Morocco or anywhere else. And let me tell something else about Iran: Unlike the rest of the Islamic or Arab world, the relationship between Persia and the Jews goes back to the days of Cyrus the Great. We take pride as Iranians of having a history where Cyrus was the most quoted figure in the Torah, as a liberator of Jewish slaves, who went to Babylon and gave them true freedom for them to worship and in fact helped them build a temple. We have a biblical relation with Jews, and we have no problem with modern day Israel. As far as regional politics, I believe, I think many Iranians believe so, that as much as Israel has a right to exist, so should the Palestinians. They have to work the problem between each other. And we have no business interfering, and we need to help get as much stability in the region.
A democratic regime in Iran would be doing that, but a clerical regime in Tehran that sends money to Hamas and to Hizballah and to all the terrorists around the globe obviously is not promoting stability and peace, it is doing the reverse.
Are you the person who puts together the master plan? Are you the commander-in-chief of this counteraction?
Look, I think I can be effective, and the reason I have stayed behind until now was because I wanted to exhaust every avenue of possibility so that the opposition can gather itself and collectively work on a common agenda. Within the next two or three months, we’ll know if the result of two or three years of intense effort is going to pay off.
Two or three months?
Two or three months. This summer.
Are you going to have a unity council of sorts?
Yes, the goal was to have some kind of congress, or, we call it a forum, where all these [exiled Iranian opposition] groups, albeit under their own umbrellas and structure, could agree on a common agenda of action under common points that we all agree, and act like that. That’s the best we can hope to make something out of the fabric of the known opposition. But what I have told them, and what I am telling them right now, as much as there’s a deadline on anything, there should be a deadline for that, too. And I’ve exhausted every avenue to act as a catalyst to bring as many people together so they can work together. But if, for any reason, this strategy does not work, then I would be ready to step in and take any initiative that is necessary. But I would do that only if the other option does not work.
Specifically, what you’d like to do, if you can get this umbrella of these outside groups together, is use their collective ability to communicate back with all these atomized groups inside Iran to call for things like a general strike.
Then orchestrate a massive campaign of resistance and civil disobedience to bring as much pressure within domestically. Meanwhile, the international community can play a much bigger role as well in pressuring the regime even further. That’s where I get to the smart sanction part. For instance, why penalize the people that are already bleeding and hungry? Why don’t you, for instance, in terms of the UN sanctions, demand a complete obstruction of travel for Iranian officials? Or denying them visas or from entering other countries, things of that nature? Why don’t you talk to all these countries that have intelligence and data on all those dummy corporations and bank accounts that the regime has in different countries and freeze those accounts?
You basically send a very strong message to the regime, you penalize their officials, you don’t necessarily declare war on Iran or economically put more pressure.
Then it’s also a challenge to Russia and China. You know Russia and China might be able to legitimately argue why they would veto any Security Council resolutions on sanctions. China, obviously, because it’s dependent on Iranian oil, and Russia because I think Putin and Peter the Great are not that far apart, in terms of their being the big boys in the region. But they will be hard pressed to object to any smart sanction, because failure to do so basically means they are in cahoots with the Islamic regime. I don’t know if they want to take that public position in the court of public opinion.
In your Iran, Mahmoud Abdullah, the Afghan who converted to Christianity, would have every right to do that and the state would protect him from retaliation by radical clerics?
God, I hope so. I hope so. Because if we are basing our constitution on the Universal Declaration of Human Rights that’s one of the most fundamental rights that any human being should have. I’m sick and tired of hypocrisy and all this dubious attitude that is so typical of our region. If you believe in something you say it, you don’t fool around. I mean, that’s where I’m coming from. I haven’t lived 45 years of my life to fool around with these things. If I’m willing to lose my life for it, hell I’m going to fight for these rights, otherwise it’s not worth it. Frankly it’s not worth it! I might as well forget about Iran and become a citizen and live my life in this country. No. I want to have the same rights you have over here over there. That’s what I’m fighting for! Otherwise why bother?
Would you rather participate in a democratic parliamentary election like Iraq or simply come back as a constitutional monarch?
I appreciate the question. I know what my function is today, and my function today is to be a catalyst that promotes unity as opposed to being an element that brings polarity. My role today is not institutional, it’s political. My role today is not someone who will be a symbolic leader under that institution, but a national leader that is fighting for freedom. ... My job today is to be a liberator, as opposed to representing an institution. However, as an option, certainly the Iranian people should consider that beyond the content of the future, which I described to you—secular, democratic, based on human rights—what should the ultimate form be? Do we want to have a parliamentary monarchy like we do Sweden, or Japan, or Holland, or Belgium? Or do we want to have a republican system like you have in this United States or France or elsewhere? That debate is not today’s debate. That is the debate that will be the responsibility of the next constitutional assembly that will have to bring in a new constitution and draft a new one.
At that time, there probably will be a lot of debates between those who are advocates of a monarchic system and those who are advocates of a republican system.
But you don’t rule it out?
I think it is, in my personal opinion, I think that that institution will better serve the purpose of the institutionalization of the democracy in Iran rather than the republican form. I can, case in point, use the example, of a post-Franco [Spain] with King Juan Carlos.
You’re not renouncing the throne, in other words? You’ll take it, if—
Look, it’s not a matter what I choose to do. I think that if monarchy has to be decided it should be based on people wanting it, not me arguing it. I have faith that this is an appropriate institution. It’s not a coincidence it survived more than 25 centuries. It is very much imbedded in Iranian culture and tradition and identity. In modern days, it can play just as effective a role. And I think that one of the things that I often find, thinking of the way Americans look at monarchy, which is immediately George III in your mind, is that you should at least liberate yourself from that aspect and see that the name “republic” doesn’t mean anything. Most of your enemies are republics. Saddam Hussein is one. Syria is one. “Republic” doesn’t automatically mean democratic. The Soviet Union was a republic. Most of your allies in Europe and NATO, half of them were monarchies. ... I think it’s not the form of the regime, it’s the content that matters. I think a monarchy is just as compatible to be committed to be democratic as a republic is. In some countries, a monarchy works better than a republic. Usually, history has shown us, in countries that are heterogeneous, in other words that have a lot of different groups, ethnicities and religion, the gelling factor, the unifying factor, has been the institutional mind, with the difference that this institution has to remain above the fray and not be engaged in the politics. That’s the big difference. Because the only time it can maintain neutrality and be for all is by not being engaged. Because the minute you become political then you have to take sides and that defeats the purpose, which is pretty much the problem we had under the previous regime, because the person of the king was directly involved in making policy, which is the last thing you want to do.
Having said that, yes, I’m fully committed to that. I’m ready to serve in that capacity. If the people so choose, it would be my greatest honor. But at the end of the day, what I tell them is, first and foremost, I’m an Iranian and I’d be just as happy to serve my country in whatever capacity. But if you give me that choice, that opportunity, I think I could do a good job for you.
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14 comments:
hope he's right!
This is certainly encouraging news in a long time. I hope he is in touch with the revolutionary guards. Overthrowing the regime is the only way Iran can avoid being bombed to smitherens.
Dear Joseph:
Have you read Juan cole's assault on Hitchens? He claims that Ahmadinejad was miquoted because of mistranslation when he recently declared that "Israel should be wiped off the Map". He claims that Hitchens is a drunken alcholic and a liar. Do you happen to have read or heard Ahmaghinejad's lecture on an audiofile in Persian? Cole claims that he knows Persian. But I very much dout that. However, if we can find the original report in any Iranian Press, we can verify and hopefully rebuke his disinformation propaganda. Thanks.
Read his character assassination of Hitchens:
http://www.juancole.com/2006/05/hitchens-hacker-and-hitchens.html#comments
Typo: I need to drink more coffee.lol
miquote=misquoted
yes this is our hopes and prayers, as much as we disaprove of the mullahcracy we cant aprove of a fullout carpet bombing either. a unified uprising seems as our best bet.
to join me in hope:
as you requested I emailed Don Juan cole abour a live debate (podcast) he actually agreed. Il be mailing a few of the emailes back and forth (with many other so called iran experts) as soon as I can. and about the wiping of the map bit. I look at my archive tonight. Im working on a video feed on the site. We will refute this man without a sweat.
thanks for pointing it out.
Dear Joseph: Thank you so much. I knew you will be the one to ask. Cheers.
Joseph: I will be watching Don Juan like a hawk before he dissimenates anymore half truths and disinformation. Keep us posted.
working on his article. dont wanna make a rush case...will post it later 2night
This translation is done by Amir. I hope this helps.
What is the precise meaning of Mahv in Persian???
Amir's translation:
I read Juan Cole’s pathetic stupidities for as long as I could, but at some point I had to give up lest I would punch my laptop screen.
Below find four quotes from the speech Ahmadinejad gave, and Cole is trying to whitewash:
خيليها در اين نبرد سنگين بين دنياى اسلام و جبهه كفر دائماً تخم يأس و نااميدى مى پراكنند. دائماً مى خواهند توى دل اسلام را خالى كنند [و مى گويند ]نمى شود، مگر مى شود؟ مگر دنياى بدون امريكا مى شود؟ مگر دنياى بدون صهيونيسم مى شود؟ شما به خوبى مى دانيد كه اين شعار و اين هدف، هدفى دست يافتنى و حتماً شدنى است.
In this hard battle between the world of Islam and the front of the infidels, many would like to sow the seeds of disenchantment and disillusionment. They constantly want to empty the heart of Islam [and say] it is not going to happen, could it ever? Would a world without America be possible? Would a world without Zionism be possible? You know very well that this slogan and this goal is something attainable and certainly doable.
امام عزيز ما فرمودند كه اين رژيم اشغالگر قدس بايد از صفحه روزگار محو شود. اين جمله بسيار حكيمانه است. مسئله فلسطين مسئله اى نيست كه ما بياييم و روى بخشى از سرزمين آن سازش كنيم. مگر جبهه اى مى تواند اجازه بدهد در قلبش نيروهاى دشمن حضور داشته باشند. اين به منزله شكست است. هركس موجوديت اين رژيم را به رسميت بشناسد در واقع پاى برگه تسليم و شكست دنياى اسلام را امضا كرده است
Our dear Imam has said that this occupying regime of Quds must be wiped from the chronicles of time. This is a very wise sentence. The problem of Palestine is not one, on parts of which we can compromise. Could a front allow the enemy’s forces to have a presence in its heart? This would mean defeat. Anyone who recognizes the existance of this regime, has in fact signed the surrender and capitulation papers of the world of Islam.
من ترديد ندارم موج جديدى كه در فلسطين عزيز به راه افتاده، موج بيدارى اى كه امروز در دنياى اسلام هست و موج معنويتى كه سرتاسر دنياى اسلام را فرا گرفته، به زودى زود اين لكه ننگ را از دامان دنياى اسلام پاك خواهد كرد و اين شدنى است؛
I have no doubt that the wave that has started in the dear Palestine, is the wave of awakening that is today in the world of Islam, and the wave of spiritualism that has covered all of the world of Islam and in a quite near future this shameful smudge will be wiped clean from the lap of the world of Islam, and this is possible.
اگر كسى تحت فشار نظام سلطه يا از روى كج فهمى و ساده لوحى يا خداى نكرده خودخواهى و دنيا پرستى قدمى به سمت شناسايى اين رژيم بردارد، بداند به آتش قهر امت اسلام خواهد سوخت و لكه ننگ ابدى را بر پيشانى خود در طول تاريخ خواهد نشاند.
If someone, through the pressure of the regime of control or from bad-understanding and simple mindedness or God forbid out of selfishness and the worship of the world takes but one step towards the recognition of this regime, he ought to know that he will burn in the fire of the wrath of the Umma of Islam and will plant the sign of shame on his forhead in the course of all of history.
mahv means disappear
source oxford persian/english dict.
still working on it...2more hours to get all the sides...if I get 2 tires 2 night (work at 9am9 il post it 2morrow
Not a problem. Great job and thanks again.
Joseph
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shikes what a blogwar! Im glad he dropped the suing friend. and i drop my artice as i see the subject is overdone.
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